Na bitte: A CAPITAL PERFORMANCE - (LMP 1017 001)
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The wait is over - the CDs are there.
Now it is the time to criticize, praise and to compare.
We are talking about the "A Capital Performance" CD
Releases by LMP and Madison.
This article is the summary of events that have happened
since the day the CD was announced for the first time more
than 11 months ago.
"A Capital Performance" June 08, 1975 was announced together
with "Movin' Mobile" CD containing the June 02, 1975 show by
the Madison Label on the FECC Website in November 2001.
On the website you were told that the fan would get
those two shows as soundboard recording.
I, the fan and collector of Import CDs, was very happy with
what I read because I was satisfied with the products from
the Madison Label I have in my collection.
So I waited for more Details to be published, but in January
I unfortunately had to read that the Mobile Release was put
aside. Not canceled but put on hold.
Ok, no problem, we will get the Jackson Show I thought.
In February I contacted my Import CD Dealer, but I was told
that the CD still wasn't out.
A little delay is quite normal in that business so I accepted
his answer and waited. Meanwhile the announcement of the CD on
the FECC website went more and more to the bottom of the page
and I forgot about it.
Suddenly, in June 2002, rumours began on the messageboards that
the Show will be released by a new label.
Lovely Music Productions, better known as LMP, promised to
have the same show, in better sound, complete excerpt for the
beginning of the show and with a special bonus track that has
never been heard before.
I have to tell you that I wasn't really shocked or surprised
by that, because in the past it happened a lot of times that
the same show came out twice.
Has there ever been a public statement by the producers of an
Import Label ? I couldn't remember any. The Website EPGold.com
was the one having the first interview with the producers of
the LMP on the website. Personally, I like to have as much
information as possible - as long as they are correct and not
modified for any reason. The Interview that Andylon Lensen,
the webmaster of the website conducted was quite normal but
the answers of the Producer sounded unbelievable:
I mean, the times of Diamond Anniversary or Luxor are gone
for more than 5 years and there were no releases having such
a sound like these two labels. LMP appears like a phoenix and
states to have a comparable sound, they even were pretty sure
to have a superior sound.
uhmm, what could i say, except for let's hope this is true,
as I like the sound of Luxor's "Guaranteed To Blow Your Mind"
very much.
A week later, or something like that Andylon had an interview
with the sound engineer on her website and still has ! There
you can read how the LMP Staff works and what their intention
is. Many informations and a lot of news I have never heard of
before. Good to read and easy to understand.
Meanwhile several Elvis Websites included the Capital CD to
their "Import News" Section. "Elvis Tapes",
"For Elvis CD Collectors (FECC)" and "Elvis Is Still Active
In Norway" to name a few.
But hey what was that ? They only announced the Madison Release,
ignored the LMP (FECC) or claimed the LMP CD to be a CDR
(Norway-Page).
And that's a point I can't understand:
If a webmaster gets information, no matter from what source,
he should check them before publishing on his website. If
he can't he shouldn't copy them on his page. The German
Page "Elvis Club Berlin" has a rumour section where unconfirmed
news can be read. That's a good idea I think.
Oven Egeland, from Elvis in Norway page Webmaster, made himself
looking like an idiot when he announced the LMP
as a CDR. By the time he did that the CD was already out
(there were postings with pictures on various messageboards).
A few days later the LMP announcement was removed completely
from his page. Why ?
Well, I don't know for sure but if I were you I would ask
him if he is in closer contact with the Madison People and I
also would ask him if he thinks that it is a good way to mention
only the own product and disregard the other one... that smells
like xxxx.
I called my dealer to tell him that he should try to get me
the LMP Version of the Capital CD. He told me to have them on
Tuesday. Well, no matter what day it was, i think it was a
Friday and I had the CD in my hand.
Boy, this was different !
The front site of the cover shows a close shot of Elvis
in fantastic colors. The photos, except for the
backcover are all from the show that is on the cd. The liner
notes are really good. They represent what I understand by
hearing the work "Booklet". All information you need about
the tour, the show, the musicians is in there, a small
"book" about the concert, that was cool work by the author,
that's my opinion.
The only problem I see with the cover is the paper itself.
It is very thin and it crackles easily.
Well, the LMP CD made the way into my player and wow
78:59 min playing time. That's damn a lot, thinking about
the Memories from Kalamazoo e.g which had only 32 mins.
The Capital CD starts with the Bonus Track, the comedy
preprogram by Comedian Jackie Kahane. An unreleased Elvis
Song would have been better a 100 times, but hey, I have
never heard the complete Jackie Show except for a few seconds
that we all know for years from the On Tour movie. You have
to hear it. Jackie is not bad like many Wannabee Fans say.
Think about the time (the 70's) and then about his jokes !
He was really good and I talked to several people who
attened an Elvis Concert and also the preprogram and they
all agreed:
They loved his gags and his sense of humor but diskliked
him because he stretched the time until Elvis would enter
the stage.
If you don't like him it's ok, then you can easily press
the skip button on your CD Player. In my opinion, it is
great to get an additional part of the Elvis-History. On
other Import CDs we already got a preprogram by the Sweet
Inspirations, Voice and Al Dvorin. All together, I am more
than happy to get those bonus tracks which I'd call essential.
The Jackson Show was not recorded in its entirety so the LMP
staff used the missing opening tracks from the concert in
Memphis, two days later. The sound of the Memphis Tracks is
so similar to the sound of the Jackson Tracks that it is
hard for me to point out the crossover between the 2 shows.
Great job on that. It is a nice idea to replace the
missing tracks in this perfet way to get an overview of
the complete show.
Elvis gives us a good show that day with a false ending
on Love Me Tender, a nice rendition of The Wonder Of You
and a rare Polk Salad Annie from that tour.
The Sound on my stereo system is superb, you hear Elvis
in the front, but the musicians, the orchestra and the
reactions of the audience are also very good to hear.
The Sound of Diamond CDs / Luxor is very clean, I'd say
too clean when I listen nowadays to the LMP.
For me the LMP, has the best mix that is possible today,
maybe that is the result of "what the sound engineer
called a surround mix".
From that tour we have a lot of shows now on Import
CD but this one will return to the cd player more
than all others.
Resumé:
Absolutely satisfied with the product, great sound,
good package and maximum running time for the money.
Worth the buy!
That was at the end of July.
In August many postings on messageboards from the Elvis
Club Berlin, First German Elvis Page & For Elvis CD
Collectors were made and 95 % of the postings said that
the LMP CD is a great one, has good sound and some people
even claimed it has the best sound ever (and that wasn't
only me !). 5 % of the people made curious statements and
said that the Madison CD is better. Their artwork would
be much more classic and the sound is great as always.
Now in September the CD is finally released by Madison
and what can I say ? Ok, it is out but that's it.
As always the booklet has 8 pages and Liner Notes.
The pictures compared to the LMP Cover look not very
good, in fact they look awful. Why is the Silver
Phoenix Suit that dark, nearly black ? I always thought
it is blue like the LMP Cover presents it to us. And I
didn't know that Elvis has relatives in China. But he
must have some otherwise his face wouldn't look that
yellow.
The running time of the CD is of course not that long
because the Madison People don't have a bonus for the
fan. They have the June 8, 1975 show and replaced the
not recorded tracks with the Memphis Show.
But they did a bad job on the editing. It's very easy
to find out that they just copied the show opening +
additional songs
from the "Let Me Take You Home" Diamond CD. They used
a software to screw the sound down to have not such a
big difference between the sound of DAE and their own
Madison sound. But after all it is like there is
a cut with an axe. Boy, what a big difference
in sound when the real show from Jackson begins. The
sound is very flat now and if you listen by headphone
there's a lot of noise on the CD. Why is "How Great
Thou Art" incomplete but complete on the LMP CD ?
strange thing, huh ? Also why are 3 tracks from the
Jackson Show replaced by tracks from the Memphis Show ?
Well, at least the CD is a silver pressed one, that's
an important thing for me and not one of the so called
CD-R releases.
What I like is the artwork of the CD Label, that's
really more stylish than the LMP one.
Now let's go on to the part that I am very angry about,
the reporting of the large websites.
"For Elvis CD Collectors" did a very bad job by ignoring
the LMP release until they came up with a fake review,
shortly after the LMP was out.
Hey, that's strange don't you think ? Normally the
webmasters get information
before a CD or a book comes out, to start a little
advertising for it. I don't believe that LMP was so
unprofessional and forgot to send Willem an email
asking for that.
Ok, Crazy Canuck, part of the webteam of FECC put
online an annoucement that the
Madison CD is out now. That happened just one day
after the LMP was out. Hey man, it takes them
8 months to bring out a cd, and now LMP comes
up with the CD within a single month.
I call the review
a fake, because there are too many
contradictions in the whole thing.
The first mistake is that he states that "another
person will make a more indepth review pretty soon".
What the hell is pretty soon ?
Canucks Announcement was published July 30 - today
it is Sept.27. 59 days are gone now, no extended
or in depth review has been published. Do you
think 59 days can be called "pretty soon" ??
Next big minus:
The Beginning of The Show is taken from the Memphis show.
Ok the Jackson show starts with All Shook Up, so they
left off 7 complete songs for what reason ever ?
SEVEN songs, that's nearly one third of the show !
To me the Beginning means "2001+ See See Rider and
I Got A Woman". Why has the LMP CD the missing
Love Me, If You Love Me Let Me Know
and Love Me Tender ?
Next question: why is "How Great Thou Art"
incomplete on the Madison
and why is it complete on LMP ??
"The show by itself doesn't contain any surprises
and very typical of that tour." To me "Polk Salad
Annie" was a surprise that day because normally
"Burning Love" followed up to "The Wonder Of You".
The funny ending on "Love Me Tender" is also worth
to mention showing Elvis, the perfect entertainer
and how he could easily get out of a difficult
situation when his orchestra messes up.
To me that was also a surprise.
Then Canuck continues and points now out "Polk
Salad Annie" and some other songs as personal highlight.
Sound quality: Madison is as good as the DAE release
" Let Me Take You Home " minus the added reverb.
That's what he states.
Well, I have to say Mr. Canuck has not much knowledge
about sound restoring and how the DAE people worked.
I was in contact with DAE at the time and they used
a room-simulation to get the sound that was in the
building the concert was recorded. Reverb is a
completely different thing !!!
Then he starts to crucify the LMP Release and also
lies about the Madison one, to push it into a better light.
Read it once, read it twice. You should notice that
Canuck describes things he has probably heard or read.
None of his statements go into the detail of the
LMP, he doesn't say if it
is a silver cd or a pressed one, he gives
you no information
about the Inside of the Cover, the Liner Notes,
the sound on the CD, nothing.
He made just some remarks about the pictures of
the cd and artwork he had seen meanwhile on some
webpages.
Let me finsish this FECC Announcement by saying:
The Crazy Canuck Review is a fake and that is
really easy to see.
There is no detail neither about the Madison nor the LMP Release.
Someone on the FECC Messageboard wrote that anybody could have
written this review without having the CDs.
Next toppic:
not worth mentoning Oven from the "Elvis is still active in Norway",
the guy who announced that LMP is a CD-R,
who still has no review online, neither of the LMP not the Madison.
Messageboard on the FECC Page:
from time to time postings that have extreme expressions and
remarks that were only written to hurt other people's feelings
were deleted from time to time. and that is ok.
Not ok is the fact that the FECC Team, deleted nearly any message
that had the Capital CD by LMP in the toppic. Luckily the fans
were so strong to post over and over that it would have been a fulltime
job to delete those specific messages.
But it still happened that Messages, that expressed opinions about the
CD by LMP were deleted. Why ? The persons wrote that the LMP is superb,
and no matter how good the Madison would be, it can't be better than the
LMP.
I suppose the FECC team is involved into the distribution or gets some CDs
from the Madison Staff for free by deleting any message with negative comments
about the Madison Release.
Next toppic:
David Wilson's Elvis Tapes Website
When I finished reading his review about the LMP I though, yes - that's it -
that's what we need. This man has the CD and relies on his eyes and ears
and says what he thinks, not what he was told to say !
He's one of the fans that won't listen more than once to Jackie Kahane
but he points out the very good sound. his remark "the LMP label which I
have here and for a first release is outstanding"
is more than positive, or am I wrong ?
Well, David made some fact mistakes in his review,
which I like to correct hereby:
The Show can't be mixed in 5.1 Surround. The only possibily
you have with such dated recordings is to mix them to a 4 point
surround sound. But you can read on the EPGold.com Interview
Section that the sound engineer didn't even do that. The trick
is the analog sound machine that creates the room simulation.
That is neither reverb nor any kind of echo!
There's also a little contradiction in his review by saying
that both CDs have "similar quality" and in the next
sentence he states the sound is different, because the
LMP is improved and the Madison one raw.
Next toppic:
Elvisnews.com Website Review about the CDs
I have to admit that I liked and still like the Website.
But this review smells like sh*t. The review has no author
so it is easy to guess that an editor of Elvisnews wrote it.
That was also confirmed last week on the FECC messageboard.
This review is very similar to the one Crazy Canuck did - it is a fake.
There are several points that turn out to be written without having the
product in the can.
First thing I like to mention is that the review has no tracklisting
and makes no statement about the running time of the CDs.
It seems to me that the author needs, like Crazy Canuck (Claude Baker),
a new watch or they live on another planet where the time runs faster
than on my planet.
"A couple of months" that's the expression for Madison
(11/2001 - 09/2002) and the LMP (06/2002 - 07/2002).
Strange one expression for 2 different periods, the one that
lasted 11 months, the other one only two.
"A bit earlier" is for me a week or two, but not nine weeks.
The Madison CD was released nearly 60 days ~ 2 months
later than the LMP one.
Few seconds ago, the author called 2 months "a couple of months"
now he titles the same period into " a bit". Ain't it strange ?
Elvisnews describes the content not very good which indicates
that the author didn't have had access to the CDs:
"On the LMP release, “How Great Thou Art” is complete, while it
isn’t on the Madison CD ... the biggest differences content wise."
Oh boy, what a liar Elvisnews.com is. The Jackson Show on Madison
starts with "All Shook Up" while the LMP offers you three additional
songs which are definitvely from the Jackson show, but they are not
on the Madison. Now I wonder why ?
There was a rumour that the people behind LMP have stolen the
tape from the Madison boys. That was a rumour, and a false one !
The Madison people "borrowed" the tape for their release.
Now I have a question for the Madison guys:
Are you too stupid to make a 1:1 copy of a tape ? If not, please let
us know why your release sucks and hasn't got those songs!
OK, but what I was talking about was the fact, that Elvisnews.com
is not a neutral observer, which should be their highest goal.
David Wilson's Review seems to be the "source" for the author
because he picks up the remark about the 5.1 Surround Sound,
which is not true. Elvsnews.com continues by claiming to have the LMP
CD but it doesn't sound good on his stereo equipment, but on a
"more luxury" one it does he says. Now he gets completely mad
when he says that "LMP doesn’t deliver such equipment with the CD."
In what world does the author live ? It is obvious that he has no
good stereo system (I don't want to call it a cheap one) but what
does he expect from LMP - a luxury one ? huh, do I get a DVD Player
from MGM or Paramount when I buy a good DVD ?
That makes absolutely no sense, sorry, this is bullsh*t.
The Conclusion of Elvisnews.com tries to advert the Madison Release
again which wouldn't be so bad if they would have reviewed the LMP
in the way the Release deserves it ! All in all, they call the LMP
a "first nice try".
I'd call it a product of a genius. LMP came up to the Elvis Fan World
like a phoenix. They have a fantastic release, and it took only a month
from the first announcement to the release. Their version of "How Great Thou
Art" is complete, Madison's is not. LMP has 3 more songs from the actual
concert, Madison has not. LMP gives you an additional bonus, Madison doens't.
LMP has a running time of 78:59 mins - The Madison CD has only about 60 mins.
I think it should be clear now which product you have to recommend !
By the way, the comment on the liner notes Elvisnews.com made is really cute.
They amuse themselves about the errors in the liner notes. Well,
have a look at the 2nd sentence of Elvisnews.com review and I ask you
now who makes also funny mistakes ?
i think there is a VERY BIG difference between the meaning of the two words
they were / where. They mixed up location with time.
And if there are really such big mistakes in the liner notes, I think another
fan would have recognized it and made a coment on a messageboard about that,
and be sure : we have a lot of english speaking fans out there.
Ok folks, I will end for today.
My intention is to lighten up the situation we have actually on the internet.
Write emails to
FECC Webteam - fecc@elvis-collectors.com
Elvisnews.com - editors@elvisnews.com
Oven Egeland - ov-egela@online.no
and write them your opinion.
I thought there was so much bad mouthing on the LMP Release which was absolutely
not fair. My opinion was and still is to give the newcomers a good start and a
warm welcome.
you see, that's a long story I wrote down,
please forgive me when I repeat things more than once
but that was the only way to tell it in its entirety.
I hope, from the bottom of my heart, that you realized
that the LMP is not a straight copy from the Madison CD.
I bought both releases to give you an overview and
to judge what other people are talking about.
In the interviews with the LMP Team you never see a bad remark about
Madison Releases or the about the Madison Team.
On the other hand the "Friends" of Madison take every chance they can
get to make the LMP down by telling lies and by publishing fake reviews.
And there is just a single reason for that:
They are jealous because they have realized that LMP has done a better job.
To point it out:
LMP is the CD you need. Buy it to support a newcomer
and to punish the bad behaviour of the Madison CRew.
The LMP offers you much more for your money.
You have more songs from the Concert,
all songs are complete, you have an unreleased bonus track,
improved sound and a total of 78:59 min running time.
Madison can't be your choice.
if you want to get in contact with me, drop me a line
dr.nic@gmx.net
Yours,
Dr.Nic
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auf der FECC webseite hat die große löschaktion begonnen, nachdem dieser bericht da gepostet wurde!
willem arbeitet schnell und gründlich - leider waren einige leute schneller und haben gemerkt, das 2 komplette threads auf einmal weg waren....
das ist auf jeden fall ne sauerer und ein versuchter betrug an den fans!
sie wollen mit aller gewalt _ihr_ produkt als das einzigste durchbekommen. ich hoffe die mehrheit der fans blickt da durch und verpasst denen einen denkzettel!
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ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, das sie das band von LMP kopiert haben. denn so doof, mehrere songs am anfang und auch mittendrin was zu vergessen, ist wirklich niemand!
sie dachten sie hätten zeit und nachdem dann LMP die cd angekündigt hat und auch kurze zeit später veröffentlicht hat, lief madison die zeit weg und sie haben eine sehr schlecht produzierte cd herausgebracht.
ich denke mal, sie lernen daraus und lagern ihre bänder vor der veröffentlichung nicht noch ein jahr in der schublade.
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David Wilson known for his onnest and non-partial reviews and also writes for Essential Elvis updated his review on the Import CD "Capital Performance", LMP & Madison.
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Now that both releases have appeared I suppose a lot of good and bad reviews will start to appear, well I for one will not be drawn into any bitching about this one's better than this etc. but here is what I see and hear as an average fan and collector.
LMP running time 78:59 minutes
Madison 61:09 minutes
Both come with an 8 page booklet both with pictures either from the show or the same jumpsuit worn anyway which is a good thing, the LMP booklet is made from thin glossy paper where as the Madison feels as if it's one grade up from the LMP version of glossy paper so it's a little more sturdy.
Both give a review of the show from slightly different views and sources. The Madison booklet is dark compared to the LMP version, which is very light and bright, but again this all comes down to taste and the mood of the designer.
The sound is as stated before LMP is re-mastered like the old D.A.E CD's of old, The Madison, is a rougher version giving us what's on the original tape, which is noticeable on the joins made to complete show as the Memphis show used (on both) is of better sound.
This doesn't mean that the Madison version of the show is poor in quality, it is still an above average sound, and many fans prefer the material to be left as it is, no tampering or touching up which I think Madison have done, giving the fans the raw material.
On the LMP version the joins are not noticeable, as the sound is even throughout the show, so it's almost if not impossible to tell where the joins are.
The only major down side to the Madison release is the fade out half way through "How Great Thou Art" that is a shame.
I have to say I enjoyed both releases but LMP has to be the better of the two when it comes to sound, whether you like the re-mastering or not this is the age we live in.
So as stated before if you like the old D.A.E sound you'll love the LMP version as it's every bit as good if not better than anything D.A.E produced over the years.
And if you like the original unhampered Soundboard sound then it has to be the Madison release for you but if you haven't got them already or ordered them from your dealer, then you could miss out on this "Double Release".
I am luck I suppose I have them both, like so many other Elvis fans who will invest in both, although it is the same show, the CD's are two, so different releases..
The Madison starts incomplete with the show: All Shook up and and also How Geat Thou Art is incomplete
While the LMP start with Love Me and is complete on the song How Great Thou Art
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aber trotzdem scheint die LMP version die ausgereiftere und bessere zu sein.
dass gewisse webmaster dann aber aus frust paranoia bekommen, ist eine andere geschichte ....
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