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19 Okt 2022 16:36 #966405
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Der Unterschied ist wir kennen heute die Org. Takes u. so reicht oft ein genaues hinhören um das Rätsel zu lösen.
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19 Okt 2022 17:47 #966409
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Ganz tolles Beispiel sind die "His Latest Flame" Outtakes auf Rare Elvis Vol.3. Dort hatte man ja versucht, so eine Art kleine Session Atmosphäre verkürzt nachzubilden. Erstaunlich im nachhinein, wie viele Schnitte hier verwendet wurden:
The following is a breakdown of how '(Marie's The Name) His Latest Flame' was edited together on The EP Collection Volume 2 and Rare Elvis Volume 3 and was listed as being takes 1 to 6:
0:00 - 0:35 = Count-in, Take 1 false start, Take 1 long false start (up to first "and Marie's the name…")(0:00-0:36 of Take 1)
0:35 - 0:38 = Take 1 LFS (this line is spliced in from second "of his latest flame…")(0:52-0:55 of Take 1)
0:38 - 0:50 = Take 1 LFS (from "…He talked and talked" to "the prettiest green eyes anywhere…")(0:40-0:50 of Take 1) The next section is cut from Take 1 long false start on The EP Collection Volume 2 and Rare Elvis Volume 3 "…and Marie's the name of his latest flame. Though I smiled the tears inside were-a-burnin', I wished him luck and then he said goodbye. He was gone but still his words kept returning', what else was there for me to do but cry. Would you believe that yesterday this girl was in my arms and swore to me she'd be mine eternally…" (0:50-1:27 of Take 1) - This section is also cut out of the long false start on The Complete Masters box-set and FTD's 'Something For Everybody'.
0:51 - 1:00 = Take 1 LFS (to "and Marie's the name of his latest flame…" Elvis breaks down saying "Just play that much back") (1:27-1:37 of Take 1)
1:00 - 1:12 = Take 3 count-in and false start (0:00-0:12 of Take 3)
1:12 - 1:18 = Talk from before Take 4 (0:03-0:09 of Take 4)
1:18 - 1:21 = Count-in before 4th false start of Take 5 (1:28-1:32 of Take 5)
1:21 - 2:14 = First two false starts of Take 5 (0:12-1:03 of Take 5)
2:14 - 2:23 = Count-in for Take 5 ("M2WW 0860 Take 5" Elvis says "Just don't get it too fast…")(0:02-0:12 of Take 5)
2:23 - 2:41 = Third false start of Take 5 to "sniff" (1:08-1:25 of Take 5) A cough is edited out here (1:25-1:27 of Take 5)
2:41 - 3:12 = Fourth false start of Take 5 (from "Still rolling…" to end of false start)(1:27-1:58 of Take 5)
3:12 - 3:14 = Count-in for Take 6 ("0860 Take 6")(0:00-0:02 of Take 6) The whistle and "one… two.." is edited out here (0:02-0:04 of Take 6)
3:14 - 3:26 = Take 6 (to "A very old friend came by tod")(0:04-0:15 of Take 6) - this is a very sloppy splice!
3:26 - 5:23 = Take 12 (from "ay" to end of Take 12)(0:22-2:20 of Take 12)
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Was mir dazu gerade einfällt: Du kannst Dir einmal bei ihm die Notes zu den "G.I. Blues" Songs durchlesen. Da wurden bzgl. der 1997 CD die Splices verändert und an anderer Stelle vorgenommen. Ich habe ihn einmal gefragt, wie er das so Sekunden genau feststellen kann. Demnach hat er also die Frequenzspektren aller Songs und Takes abgespeichert, und eine Software vergleicht nun den Master mit den Frequenzspektren der einzelnen Takes. So kann er ganz genau sagen, von welchem Take etwas stammt und an welcher Stelle der Splice ist.Ja, aber wo nimmt Keith Flynn, da er ja »so ein Buch bzw. so eine Website ist«, seine Infos her? Habe jetzt gerade umständehalber kein Beispiel, aber manche Master bestanden ja laut seinen Angaben ja schon aus mehreren Takes.
Ganz tolles Beispiel sind die "His Latest Flame" Outtakes auf Rare Elvis Vol.3. Dort hatte man ja versucht, so eine Art kleine Session Atmosphäre verkürzt nachzubilden. Erstaunlich im nachhinein, wie viele Schnitte hier verwendet wurden:
The following is a breakdown of how '(Marie's The Name) His Latest Flame' was edited together on The EP Collection Volume 2 and Rare Elvis Volume 3 and was listed as being takes 1 to 6:
0:00 - 0:35 = Count-in, Take 1 false start, Take 1 long false start (up to first "and Marie's the name…")(0:00-0:36 of Take 1)
0:35 - 0:38 = Take 1 LFS (this line is spliced in from second "of his latest flame…")(0:52-0:55 of Take 1)
0:38 - 0:50 = Take 1 LFS (from "…He talked and talked" to "the prettiest green eyes anywhere…")(0:40-0:50 of Take 1) The next section is cut from Take 1 long false start on The EP Collection Volume 2 and Rare Elvis Volume 3 "…and Marie's the name of his latest flame. Though I smiled the tears inside were-a-burnin', I wished him luck and then he said goodbye. He was gone but still his words kept returning', what else was there for me to do but cry. Would you believe that yesterday this girl was in my arms and swore to me she'd be mine eternally…" (0:50-1:27 of Take 1) - This section is also cut out of the long false start on The Complete Masters box-set and FTD's 'Something For Everybody'.
0:51 - 1:00 = Take 1 LFS (to "and Marie's the name of his latest flame…" Elvis breaks down saying "Just play that much back") (1:27-1:37 of Take 1)
1:00 - 1:12 = Take 3 count-in and false start (0:00-0:12 of Take 3)
1:12 - 1:18 = Talk from before Take 4 (0:03-0:09 of Take 4)
1:18 - 1:21 = Count-in before 4th false start of Take 5 (1:28-1:32 of Take 5)
1:21 - 2:14 = First two false starts of Take 5 (0:12-1:03 of Take 5)
2:14 - 2:23 = Count-in for Take 5 ("M2WW 0860 Take 5" Elvis says "Just don't get it too fast…")(0:02-0:12 of Take 5)
2:23 - 2:41 = Third false start of Take 5 to "sniff" (1:08-1:25 of Take 5) A cough is edited out here (1:25-1:27 of Take 5)
2:41 - 3:12 = Fourth false start of Take 5 (from "Still rolling…" to end of false start)(1:27-1:58 of Take 5)
3:12 - 3:14 = Count-in for Take 6 ("0860 Take 6")(0:00-0:02 of Take 6) The whistle and "one… two.." is edited out here (0:02-0:04 of Take 6)
3:14 - 3:26 = Take 6 (to "A very old friend came by tod")(0:04-0:15 of Take 6) - this is a very sloppy splice!
3:26 - 5:23 = Take 12 (from "ay" to end of Take 12)(0:22-2:20 of Take 12)
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19 Okt 2022 18:41 #966412
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Ja genau, so meinte ich das. Das er mit Software »schummelt«, erklärt natürlich einiges. 👍🏻
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